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Post by sewinfly on Aug 13, 2008 9:12:28 GMT
Well there has been quite a debate of late on whether anglers should keep large fish for the table.
Here is another question.
I wonder how many club members are honest and buy the required license to fish for salmon and sea trout on our club waters at over £60:00 it is a lot of money.It does make you think!!!!!
sewinfly............
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Post by david439 on Aug 13, 2008 16:26:12 GMT
Sorry Sewin fly this is not in response to your post but I was just after some advice. I can only get to the Ogmore now and again as I live away. It is difficult to coincide it with good weather conditions and water levels. I am still trying to get back into it after a 14year break. I am aware of the night fly fishing tactics but what option do you have to fish for sewin during daylight hours in clear water as this is normally what I have to fish with. The other thing is are those flying C's supposed to be spun near the bottom as they are fairly heavy and drop as soon as they hit the water!!
Dave
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Post by jt on Aug 13, 2008 18:19:49 GMT
Spencer, I can imagine one or two silver fish disappearing under a non-migratory license. If the membership is issued in March - almost coinciding with the April licensing date.... and given that visiting anglers have to prove their EA license ownership to pick up a day ticket - could the club not vet renewals and incorporate a suitable logo or state the holders' license status? ...Just a wild and wacky thought but it may make one or two rogue anglers think twice and perhaps reduce overall fishing effort on the migratory species. With the £60 license, the club joining fees, the fuel to drive a 120 mile round trip, the bridge toll (£5.30 a pop!), the snacking expenditure at local shops (or tescos) I think I'm up to about £120 per fish I've taken this season.  To think that someone would take the same number or more fish off the back of a £27 regular licence sticks in the throat! Jon |
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Post by OAA on Aug 13, 2008 18:51:25 GMT
JT,
the problem is just as you stated. Permit renewals take place from january, yet rod licence sales start on april 1st by which time most members would have renewed.
I can remember the good old days when we had ticket issuing night with a local tackle shop selling rod licences on the evening when they were available from march and not april.
With regards to the type of licence members buy, a club byelaw states that members must hold an appropriate licence. The problem in enforcing any such bylaw is proving that a member is targeting migratory fish specifically.
We then move onto the subject of many anglers across wales now refusing to buy the appropriate licences as a protest against the perception that EAW are doing nothing on our rivers to justify the expense.
Certainly, it is often quoted to me by anglers that they resent purchasing licences when they know the likeliness of them being checked with so few bailiffs on the beat.
EAW are always keen to state that migratory licence revenue in wales is only about £227k per annum which does not cover what is currently being spent on migratory rivers. Unfortunately this argument is flawed. Many anglers do not purchase migratory licences because they are protesting against the lack a of EAW input onto their rivers - a vicious circle!
An interesting question Spencer!
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Post by jj on Aug 13, 2008 19:42:14 GMT
heres food for though everyone, if the ea turn the ogmore into a c + r river, then a trout licence or maybe even a course licence would then be a viable proposition! think about it, we are all fishing for trout or grayling as we cant legally retain the fish in the river!!!!
jj
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Post by sewinfly on Aug 13, 2008 20:39:49 GMT
JT
Where do you begin?
"could the club not vet renewals and incorporate a suitable logo or state the holders' license status?"
My thoughts exactly JT some visible coloured armband that you fish for sewin & salmon and that you hold the correct license.
Or when membership renewals are due you produce your license and it is logged as to what you fish for.Then all members are accountable for their actions.
Its a big issue.
sewinfly.............
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Post by sewinfly on Aug 14, 2008 8:14:13 GMT
Sorry Sewin fly this is not in response to your post but I was just after some advice. I can only get to the Ogmore now and again as I live away. It is difficult to coincide it with good weather conditions and water levels. I am still trying to get back into it after a 14year break. I am aware of the night fly fishing tactics but what option do you have to fish for sewin during daylight hours in clear water as this is normally what I have to fish with. The other thing is are those flying C's supposed to be spun near the bottom as they are fairly heavy and drop as soon as they hit the water!! Dave Hi Dave, When I have fished for sewin in the day, usually I will fish the fast broken water with a team of small wet flies-Peter Ross flies always seem to work for me in the past also with a Hares ear gold head-Last season I picked up quite a few with this set up. With regards to the "C" this lure is fished when the river is carrying extra water and finning down. My set up is using 20Ib braid and 24" of 15Ib mono plus on the trace-a lot of people fish to light at times especially when the river is up,the last outcome you want is your line snapping and the fish swimming off with a lure in its mouth!!! I fish the "C" a lot of the time up river and retrieve at a fair speed-takes are very hard with this method I find no need to strike. If I am casting across in the conventional way I like my lure to hit the bottom and keep the rod tip quite high and use the current to action the lure and no retrieve at all but to let it swing round just off the bottom, again takes are positive. This is my own preference Dave as the way I fish lures, but no doubt others have their own ways of fishing the lures. Tightlines sewinfly................ |
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Post by redsedge on Aug 14, 2008 13:33:04 GMT
As the person charged with issuing singlehandedly the 500 or so membership renewals at the begining of each year, issuing grayling tickets etc, I would be very interested in hearing of suggestions regarding vetting members rod licences. This would be in addition to dealing with unsigned cheques, retrieving understamped renewals, renewals sent without photographs etc etc.
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Post by david439 on Aug 14, 2008 17:46:00 GMT
Thanks Sewinfly....thats made it a bit clearer....I will give that a try...!
Dave
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Post by sewinfly on Aug 14, 2008 18:41:35 GMT
As the person charged with issuing singlehandedly the 500 or so membership renewals at the begining of each year, issuing grayling tickets etc, I would be very interested in hearing of suggestions regarding vetting members rod licences. This would be in addition to dealing with unsigned cheques, retrieving understamped renewals, renewals sent without photographs etc etc. I think its very commendable of you (G.T.) in the job you do for the club and I would say its appreciated by the majority of the club members. I am in a similar position as you but not on the same scale(thank Christ!!) in the club I belong to. Cheers sewinfly........... |
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Post by jt on Aug 15, 2008 8:28:24 GMT
I think the license numbers are linked to the type of license... as a pre-emptive measure you could ask for anglers to submit their number with their renewals which you could liaise with the EAW to ascertain the license type.
Whilst this wouldn't prevent some from trying to shirk the system for the forgoing year we could look retrospectively at either catch returns (probably not) or known/publicised catches which could highlight miscreants... far from flawless though.
Or you ask all members to buy their license in January pre-renewal or shift the renewal date and ask for a photcopy of the new license with the photo etc...
Regards.,
Jon
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Post by OAA on Aug 15, 2008 17:39:55 GMT
With regards to this I fail to see what it has to do with the Association.
We are already taking over an ever increasing workload from the Environment Agency. Why would we want to introduce another onerous task for the membership sec at the busiest time of the year?
Surely the body who benefits financially from rod licences should be the ones to enforce it?
Where do we draw the line. Do we need to check that all members have got car tax when using ther car to go fishing?
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Post by goldhead on Aug 16, 2008 11:42:48 GMT
well said oaa1 -maybe if this is such an issue and it is the first i have heard of it then those persons that see it as such may like to put themselves forward as club baliffs to monitor it instead of expecting those already stretched in the role -as usual plenty of opinions but no volunteers at the coal face  |
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Post by redsedge on Aug 16, 2008 12:36:56 GMT
Well goldhead as a former membership secretary you know first hand what it is to be up at the sharp end. Here are a few points to note on this idiotic issue:-
The cynicsm of my original post was not understood by its intended recipients.
From January to the begining of April I have very little free time. Most evenings (after my day job) are spent dealing with renewals, deciphering illegible renewal forms, trying to make sense of the contents of substandard envelopes that have diintegrated in my letterbox, retrieving underpaid renewals from the royal mail, chasing members for missing photos, missing cheques. The list goes on.
I also notice the phrase in jt's post "We could...." I interpret this as "you could" since I am certain that the two who are annoyed by this issue see themselves as the "ideas men" and it is me who would have to put it into practice. as for the idea of armbands who is going to check these - that stalwart but dwindling band of volunteer bailiffs who sweat blood for the OAA as it is.
Frankly I have no intention of liasing with EAW or anyone else on this matter.
Tight Lines to you all.
GT
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Post by penyfai28 on Aug 17, 2008 8:06:19 GMT
If you are not interested in keeping any fish migratory or other, and only fish for the enjoyment of it do you need to buy the salmon licence, I have been fortunate enough to have landed a couple of nice specimens in the past with a salmon licence but have returned them, so could I have downgraded to the lower licence this season.
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